Mohammed HijabI think part of the difficulty I have with disagreeing with the fact that the universe is not unlimited is the fact that the inference therefore leads me to the fact that there is something outside created.

GuestThank you very much.

Mohammed HijabNo, no. So, but Sammy, I understand what you're saying, Sammy. I hear what you're saying, but I do want to say this to you. What you've just said there seriously uncovered for me the psychological reasoning as to why you're giving this argument such a scrutinous kind of assessment. The reason why you're doing it is not because of the value or the strength of the argument. It's exactly because of what you've said. You've just said, if you think about what you just said, you said that the reason why I want to grant you this premise is because it will necessitate an external independent force. That is not a reason. So, in other words, you don't you don't believe because you don't want to believe.

GuestNo, no, no.

Mohammed Hijab[laughter]